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Foxworthy.


On a warm August evening I found myself in the company of Dan Cederholm and Luke Dorny. We were a small group split off from a larger crowd that had just finished dinning together. After the meal most of us walked across the street to an An Event Apart after-party. It was late and most of the casual and curious were long gone leaving a few persons of name recognition and a small group of people who just wanted another minute of their time. Even nerds have their fans and followers.

Such a person walked up to Dan, introduced himself and began a conversation with a question. Pretty standard conference party chit chat soon turned into hard core questions pertaining to development, validation, and strict adherence to both. Given the company I was in I figured these topics were standard faire—though trying to discuss such matters at 10PM in a art gallery turned into quasi-cool flat party doesn't provide a best setting. Still, Dan, being the very decent citizen he is, kept his focus on the visitor and did his best to engage him in a manner befit his reputation for being a really nice guy.

Hard of hearing in a crowded place I'm not sure exactly what was said but the guy became irate and his discourse took a harsh tone. The conversation turned into accusations. Apparently this person was upset that Mr. Bulletproof did not take strict adherence to web standards as seriously as he should. And (pardon me if I don't have this exactly word-for-word) that considering his position and influence he was preaching the gospel too askew for the greater good of the world.

It was at this point that Dorny put his drink down, stealthily slipped in-between the two and masterfully inserted himself as the primary target. A minute later Dan quietly backed away from the trio, looking like he had just been through a minor traffic accident. It wasn't long after that Luke and his new friend were onto another topic less stressful and animated (knowing Dorny that means they were talking about beer, 1960's European Poster design, Volkswagens, or all three).

There are a few lessons to be learned from this observed encounter.

A "perfectionist" and a "purist" are not the same person. The perfectionist seeks to do everything to the best of their ability against standards that are often set higher than average. The purist, on the other hand, seeks to adhere to some set of rules that are written for conditions in a world wherein Tom Cruise is taller and a lot less creepy, and every morning the box of Trix is full and fresh without all those lame crumb particles at the bottom of the box.

In the time that I have known him Dan is a perfectionist. This is partially why he has attained his rank and stature within our community (it also helps that he's a fantastic designer, author, and presenter). More importantly, this attribute is why clients pay him money to create work for them. They know that while he will earnestly try to craft things using methods that are pure and as by-the-book as possible, he won't seek a strict path that will end up causing delays or over run a project budget.

Clients, supervisors, vice presidents, and so forth—they don't want the purist. Purists freak them out. While they might make for interesting subjects on the Discovery Channel, purists aren't the best fit in the business world. Purity costs money and dedication to a path that often leads to even more unwanted or unnecessary expenditures.

Duct Tape is a business tool. It's not one that anyone wants to use but it's there for when perfection has run it's course and it's time to move on to other pursuits. Purity has no duct tape—only devotion.

Lastly, when you want to talk to someone who you admire for one reason or another it's probably best not to verbally attack them for problems that aren't their fault. If you want to be religious go to church.

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Luke Dorny — 01:26 on 10.08.08#
 

Heh.
Nice.
Actually, it wasn't long before he'd spilt his cocktail on my new adidas, and i kept my cool. Twice.
The conversation probably wasn't worth continuing since it kept coming around to fundamental xhtml semantics or something. It was disturbing to say the least.

There is absolutely nothing that i could ever, possibly in any situation or under any circumstances, ever do to help fundamentalists. It will always be impossible to converse with them.

On a brighter note. I had a blast. Thanks to everyone who showed and held a brief but enjoyable conversation/introduction!!!

Wilson Miner — 01:57 on 10.08.08#
 

Sounds like Dan got trolled IRL.

Brian Warren — 02:15 on 10.08.08#
 

Well done, Mr. Dorny. You're a classic gentleman.

It's becoming harder and harder to think you're not a fictional character that I pretend to IM with all day long.

Jeff Croft — 02:38 on 10.08.08#
 

Thank you for this, Greg. Seriously.

I would just add: why do so many people have to let disagreements over the pedantic, mundane details of the way we build websites interfere with our personal relationships? That's sad, man. Lighten up. Be cool. This is web design, not politics.

Bryan Veloso — 02:39 on 10.08.08#
 

Thanks. :)

Stephen Caver — 02:43 on 10.08.08#
 

I kind of regret going back to the hotel and missing this thing. But not really.

Dave S. — 02:44 on 10.08.08#
 

@Brian Warren - I'm still not convinced he exists either. You know those photos of that guy coming up on the "luxuryluke" tag? I once found a photo of the same guy in a high school annual from 1953. I'm just saying.

Luke Dorny — 02:52 on 10.08.08#
 

@Jeff Croft: There's no way i'd ever, but not ever, not even in a drought respond to that comment. Ever.

Chris Wilson — 02:55 on 10.08.08#
 

Brilliantly stated.

Richard — 03:02 on 10.08.08#
 

This is a great story and I only know Dan by his books. I think maybe you and Mr. Dorny hatched a new meme here.

Many years ago when I presented at conferences and had "followers" I could have used a Dorny. Before this story my dream was to pull a proverbial Marshall McLuhan out of the curtains to sick on whoever was bothering me (a la Woody Allen).

Maybe all of us need to be "Dorny" at times to pay it forward.

Simmy — 03:14 on 10.08.08#
 

Wow. Best blog post I've read in a very very long time. Well said, you cranky old bastard.

Mike D. — 04:58 on 10.08.08#
 

I would further add that there is no such thing as purism on the web. There just isn't. The entire world wide web is a hack. It always has been and it always will be. It's probably the most useful hack the world has ever seen, but that doesn't change the fact that it is a hack. It is something that -- by virtue of thousands of rivets from thousands of people -- does a lot of useful things. The purist says "Enough with the rivets! We can mold this entire thing out of one seamless piece of carbon fiber", and what does he/she end up doing?

Spending his/her entire life arguing with the riveters and getting nothing done.

Wolf — 05:00 on 10.08.08#
 

A short short story that entertained me, even during this nightly hour. Any kind of ruleset always seem to breed fundamentalists. I guess it's sort of funny, in a weird way, to be a web standards fundamentalist. Or purist, if you like.

Brendan B — 05:18 on 10.08.08#
 

It can be utterly perfect, or it can work.

A simple maxim, but one the World Wide Web depends on.

RayMcK — 05:19 on 10.08.08#
 

Dorny is for real all right. Just ask Jill.

Jason Robb — 05:53 on 10.08.08#
 

Nice, Greg. Great storey!

Natalie — 07:31 on 10.08.08#
 

I like to call them internet pharisees. :D

Jason Beaird — 06:14 on 10.09.08#
 

There are many lessons to be learned from this parable, Greg. The fact that it was late in the evening would lead me to believe Mr. Interjection probably had a few to many. So the moral here is not to get plastered before introducing yourself to those you look up to. You might just wake up the next morning to discover that you chewed out Dan Cederholm and that you became the whipping boy for purists on Airbag. Not saying this guy wasn't being a royal asshat, but if he didn't realize he was spilling cocktails on Luke's Adidas, he probably wasn't firing on all four cylinders. In other words, his inner standardista was writing checks his HTML skillz couldn't cash.

Stephen — 06:52 on 10.09.08#
 

So, people like this still exist? I remember years ago working with the beginning of standards, and preaching this very thing, that strict adherence to standards created in a vacuum will end up helping no one. I stopped hearing the arguments from the purists as the fervor around the Web calmed to a mild roar, and I kept doing my job, advancing when able, towing the line when more sustainable. I guess I'm glad I don't go to these kinds of events anymore. As I've aged, I've only gotten more cantankerous. Discussions like that with me rarely end well.

Nat — 06:58 on 10.09.08#
 

I know it wasn't your intention, but it seems that this could be read as a political allegory, as well. Or maybe I've just been spending too much time refreshing fivethirtyeight lately.

C — 07:32 on 10.09.08#
 

Purists will waste too much time. I like your comparison between perfectionists versus purists.

Anton — 08:21 on 10.09.08#
 

Luke's a real person? What?!?

Greg: Kudos to you for writing that situation into such an interesting entry. Good talent, I would've struggled with ambiguity.

Shane — 09:59 on 10.09.08#
 

I love your last sentence, what a perfect way to end that post!

marty — 04:34 on 10.10.08#
 

Like I always say, if you want to feel Superior, go to a nunnery.

Matt Everson — 10:23 on 10.10.08#
 

Dude, really great story. I totally agree. Perfectionists, a la Dan Cedarholm, produce ever-improving work IMO due mainly to the fact they are actually producing. Purists cling to their ideals, but in doing so, rarely manage to get anything done.

Here's to perfection. And duct tape.

Michael Jackson — 11:45 on 10.10.08#
 

+1 for Mike D. The whole web is definitely a hack.

+1 for Dorny. Nice job man. Very classy.

Stuart Steel — 07:15 on 10.11.08#
 

fundamentalism in any form never delivers any good results. I wonder what the fundamentalists think when they compare their work with that of innovative realists like Dan.

A much more useful and fun conversation is how to best navigate that grey zone between rigid rules and lazy coding that the rest of us call best practice

Dan Mall — 08:22 on 10.12.08#
 

Fine.

Luke: I'm sorry for ruining your new pair of Adidas.

Dan: Next time you use a [b] instead of a [strong], I'll just post about it on my blog instead of calling you out in front of your friends.

Everyone happy now? Yeesh.

Bob — 11:03 on 10.20.08#
 

Wow.

I guess that guy missed class the day they discussed Theory vs. Reality.

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