As some of you know I got the chance to work with the super joyful people of Happy Cog on their project for Ma.gnolia, that keen social bookmarking application that more and more people are using. With every large project there is a lot of unseen work that gets left behind in archived folders, Basecamp projects, and as attachments to old email threads. Most of which is never to be seen again, just saved as bits for posterity.
I have been granted a special opportunity which I think you will all enjoy (no, I did not turn down a job at Apple but I did get a job description sent my way. Apparently when Moll said "no" it sent Cupertino into a mild panic. And no, I don't know that for sure but I can read between the lines). Ma.gnolia and Happy Cog have agreed to let me show you the designs that didn't make the final cut and talk a little about the process. It's not every day that a client agrees to talking about things that were behind-the-scenes so I hope you'll enjoy this as much as we had fun making it (yes, we did have fun, the folks at Ma.gnolia were a breeze to work with, at least during the phase when I was involved).
Last October I was brought in to design the look and feel for the application shortly after Tanya Rabourn finished wireframing every template/page of the website. Every. Page. This was a bonus for me as I've never worked with anyone who took the time to go through a complete round of information architecture, it sure made my work a lot easier.
I had already worked with the client at the end of September to create a temporary website to help promote the product while it was in some kind of greek-lettered state. At the time visual direction was sparse as the people at Ma.gnolia were hard at work developing the software but they did have this fantastic logo created by Jason Santa Maria. And so I set off, inspired by Jason's work, to create a design that would do everything in its power to compliment and showcase the public unveiling of the new brand.
Thanks to the help of code-warrior Ryan Irelan, I was able to flip the jolly green site within a week. It was a fun project and it served me well as Zeldman, upon seeing the site, asked me to come on-board and design the "real thing".
The plan for designing the full application the "real thing" was to go from three designs down to finished Photoshop comps that would be handed over to Eric Meyer for coding. Three weeks, three design rounds. I have to admit I was skeptical at first. Similar projects to this scale jump out of their milestones with feature creep and decision trees that bend with the wind and my workload was already more than full but how often do I get the chance to work with Happy Cog?
Damn the torpedoes! Full speed ahead!
Ma.gnolia wanted to create a social bookmarking application that would appeal to everyone, not just young guys who are hip and into the social software scene, yet they wanted it to be clean and free of too many eye-candy elements. I took that to mean the site should not look like a man-tool while feeling clean, comfortable and hopefully inviting.
For the first comp my instructions were to continue the look and feel of the temporary site. Considering that design was created to hold short brochure-ware content for only a month, maybe two, I thought the design made for a nice fit on the full-scale application. It looked great but I had some reservations. Did it look different from other, similar types of websites out there: yes. Was it way too green to be used on a regular basis: probably so. Would it work better for an apple martini product site: most definitely.
Wanting to depart from the apple-sour look I went the other way with the second comp, enlisting the help of a few earth tones nothing brings a project back down to Earth like a good neutral palette. Some of the elements of the first design were dropped in favor of gradients to give the client an different approach (normally when presented with three comps a client will pick and chose the elements they like across all three and then these things are married together in the second round of design). I liked this version a lot, as did Happy Cog, and a few of us thought this was it, the version that would be used for the application. I think in hindsight we might have liked it mostly because it wasn't day-glo green.
By the time I launched Photoshop to begin working on the last design I was pushing a little burn-out having worked many, many twelve hour days for about a month straight (that's the glamorous life for the self-employed kids) but after a quick chat with the foreman I was re-engergized and ready to go. This time I started off with white. It is a great color (or absence of color), easy to read off of, it's clean, and helps launch anything non-white off the page. I also wanted to get away from the gradients and bring in some nice rules and boxes, serif type instead of sans.
The result was a cleaner, more sophisticated look that stood on its own while borrowing colors from the first two. Gradients are good and fun when used once and a while but there is a reason the drop-shadow fad fell from grace earlier in the decade. Object lesson: clean rules and boxes will beat overly designed shady backgrounds gradient fills every time. I bet Roger Black has said something similar but I don't know the guy well enough to quote him.
After I was done with the third comp I knew that it had to be the one. Not an amalgam of the three, just this one. I wanted to go back and delete my prior design work and blame it on a random dog or computer crash. Unfortunately Jeffrey didn't buy the dog story and I had already uploaded the files to Basecamp so crashing my computer wouldn't do any good.
A few moons passed when word from the client arrived and I braced for the worst. Amazingly they liked all three designs equally and didn't know which one to pick as being their favorite nor were they interested in picking any of them apart (when does that ever happen?!). Jeffery was able to work them over, I mean worked with the client to chose the right design the one you have all come to know as today's Ma.gnolia.
The next two weeks were spent carving, sanding, painting, and moving things around until we had them in the right order. We elected to use Dan Cederholm's Chameleon icons because they worked well with the product and there really wasn't enough time to roll our own and with all the great choices out there now, there had better be a pretty compelling reason for going to the trouble of creating custom icons. Eric finished the XHTML/CSS in the shortest time I would have thought humanly possible making me wonder if he can talk to the code and make it move for him. A little more than a month later the site went live and open to the public.
The three weeks allocated for the design phase went by in a hurry but every milestone was met and the client was pleased with the work all along the way. It was a real pleasure working my friends at Happy Cog and the good folks at Ma.gnolia it is so easy to get work done with those good people.










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Great writeup!
I love seeing posts like this and wish more people would show the behind the scenes work of real design projects.
I also really like the design of the site. Great work.
Awesome project. It sounds like you got to collaborate with a lot of people who've really got their acts together. I love the carpentry metaphors - "carving, sanding, painting, and moving things around until we had them in the right order". Your craftsmanship is really really apparent here.
Thanks for the "process" post! I'm always more interested in the process then the end result. The end result will happen no matter what, but the process is what really counts. That's what we as designers crave - the process.
So apparently, these aren't the guys who wanted external links to open in new windows...
Lovely work Greg. I find the interface to be inviting and very well balanced. Very nice.
Great writeup and great work Greg. It's hard not to use an app that has been through so many famous hands as ma.gnola has. I've been impressed since the beta and plan to work it into the (much more standards happy) redesign of my wife and I's personal site, amesnjas.com.
Quick question, what do you guys use to manage the source when so many of you are working on the same project at the same time.
It seems it would be easy to have your changes overwritten by some other workaholic.
I'm so glad I got to see your process! Sometimes I felt like the only one who struggled with inspiration and client disapproval. Thanks for posting your designs. I'd love to see more of your work process anytime you have a new project you'd like to document.
I caught wind of Magnolia a week or two back. It's pretty interesting, although I am *so* sick of dotted names. I can never remember where the dot goes. Also, while the design is pretty, what's the compelling reason to use it, instead of, say Delicious?
"I took that to mean the site should not look like a man-tool"
Errm, probably just as well really...
Thanks for sharing your experience with this project. I just took a look at the site, something seems off, could be the wierd placement of the ads, and the styling of it.
Also the Hot Tags sections looks too cluttered. I don't really digg the design (not to be crude, but has a default blog template feel to it), but the logo is awesome (maybe a little effeminate)!
very useful, thanks for sharing!
Right now, the ads really make the site look like cr*p. It has officially detoured me from signign up.
CM Harrington - Maybe because Magnolia.com is taken? It could be their choice, but I assume it's because Magnolia is taken. I agree with you though, it can be confusing. I just bookmark them so I don't have to type them out. (That can get cluttered)
The end result is great Greg, I like what you did. The first thing I did when I signed up was create a stock photography group for 'free' stock photography, like you might find at sxc.hu. Nowadays there's only one other free site and the others are pay sites, haha. I still like Ma.gnolia.
It's nice to peek behind the scenes
After an article like that I've only got two words for you.
New desktops!
Insightful article Greg. Thank you 8 )
Is this what you're looking for Ray?
Hey Greg. Very nice work and thanks a bunch for the write up. I'm curious as to how the hand-off from Tanya went. On the last few projects I've worked on I've had full sets of wireframes as well and find them very helpful. I'm wondering how much you deviate from those. How literal do you take them?
I find that even if I'm handed detailed wireframes I tend to really move things around. I think there are several reasons for that and would like to hear how someone else works with them.
Thanks for the write up.
On this project I shifted widths and adjusted some pixels but nothing major. Considering the amount of work that had already been done on the wireframes and the short timeframe for delivering a design I didn't want to step in and shake things up so bad that it brought the project back to square one.
Great article Greg.
Thanks for sharing this (and thanks to Happy Cog for being opened minded)
Thanks Greg! I have really enjoyed using Magnolia for the past several weeks. It "feels" well-built.
Greg, I didn't realize that you had worked on Ma.gnolia. Tastefully appropriate, as always.
Thanks you Greg, Zeldman, Happy Cog and Ma.gnloia for being open and transparent. A very cluefull article.
One of the most interesting articles I've read so far in my (still young) life! My sincere thanks to you and to Happy Cog!
Why the silly point between the "a" and "g". Makes it sound like a cheap del.icio.us knockoff. Its a nice design, and deserves a name that matches.
Chris. magnolia without the dot has been registered to someone else since 1994 ; )
Greg. I was thinking about (hopeing for) something apart from the classic airbag desktops. NOT that the airbag desktops aren't any good. Heavens to Betsy... NO. The airbag desktops are da bomb baby. Uber-cool. Just uuumm..... something different. Than airbags.
I feel a HOLY flame coming on
wow that was a great read. thanks alot for sharing that info, its such a good reminder to me that I'm not the only one who goes thru some of these design challenges, and also encouraging that there is the light of a solid, well designed finished product at the end of those 15 hour days.
and it always helps to have a fantastic team.
Keith, concerning wireframes and "how literal to take them" my layout is only to convey what objects need to be present, their labeling and the visual hierarchy for them. Once they're translated to a particular visual design, placement of a given object to indicate its importance can shift greatly. If the wireframes are done right, the graphic designer and I have an understanding as to where the user's attention should be focused on any given page. He can run with it from there.
Sounds like you have worked with a lot of great people! I'm jealous :p
Nice "article", I love it!
Thank you.
Hey that would be another interesting article: The process with integrating the design to the recommended wireframes. I'd have to agree with the banner ads. There should be some strict design rule with ads if they're going on a well designed and organized site like that.
Have you designed, or otherwise are there any, ma.gnolia buttons and/or banners for public use? Just thinking of the typical 'Add to my...' style of buttons and such. Thanks!
Dino, that wasn't part of the project but I don't see why I can't whip a few up. I'll see what I can do later this week.
Great photos and great article. Inspired me to create something new today. Thank you.
Rad. Insightful. Thanks for that.
You write Dan Cederholm wrong.
Three editors and a the writer didn't catch that. Thanks Mark. Sorry Dan.
I just have to post to see if "37 responses" is true, or a joking reference to 37 signals... sorry if I ruin it by changing it to 38...
Huh? What does 37signals have to do with the subject of this entry and how would it be considered a joke?
Actually... white is a mixture of all colors. Black is the absence of color.
OK... I had to find something that wasn't great about this article. Right? ;)
Thanks for a great article and an even greater design!
An excellent read. To bad MG is such a disappointment. Cluttered, ads are prominent, and the info about the links take up too much room, meaning the number of links within view is too small. After all, it is all about the links. On DL, I can see a lot more links at one time, and that's what I want to see when I am using a tool to archive my links.
On the other hand, the design is very nice and the groups feature is great.
Nice write-up... wouldn't it be great if all clients were like that all the time?
Any luck on those ad banners, etc.? I'm sure you'd make a few thousand or so ma.gnolia fans hap.py :)